Tag And Keyword Spamming

Hear ! Hear!!!!

Is putting your name and area where you live spam?

you only need the name. an area where you live is not in the image....unless a picture of where you live

People looking for town images will be annoyed to find that apple, or the turkey eating the apple

Mmmmmmm turkey apple, sounds yummy. much better then caramel turkey. no wait that sounds good too.


---Mike Savad

I was referring to my name. I have several names that people know me by which I list in key words. If I just put Erica Price, the people that know me under my maiden name wouldn't find me. This is why I list all my names. The picture does have to do with me since I'm the one that created it. Try to find me by my maiden name which I also use and see what comes up. Erica Weiner.... no I don't make jewelry. The other Erica does. This is why I list all my names.
I see that some words are obvious but some are on a fine line.
In any case, I see your point, and I'm not trying to be a wise guy. :-)

This is interesting because I was going through the FAA categories to make sure had the top categories covered like landscapes or portraits, and ran across the categories of 'best seller', 'most featured', etc. These are NOT FAA featured images but keywords people have put in on their images. Beth, what is FAA policy on this? Even if FAA deletes the category of 'best sellers' if its used as a keyword the it's a legal search.

I'm also personally unsure of keyword about me instead of the painting. I put in a keyword of my hometown in Kansas but it's a painting of a seascape (not a lot of seas in Kansas these days). For most of us we start from a home base area in sales, so things like this are important for us to put on our images but it's going to create this type of annoyance. What about words like female. I am female, it's important to some buyer, but it has nothing to do with what subject matter I choose (in general).

Beth, can you give us some guidance on this?

Finally, for the new and stupid among us (I'm leader) then you MUST uncheck your group submission boxes or they will be uploaded again to your group administrator. If your like me and do this 50 times after you've uploaded then you're understandable annoying the hell out of your group leader. Group leaders are getting nothing for this and we rely on them.

Hum now I was curious and did a search for Apple. Like has been mentioned I did find some that didn't have to do with an apple nor a apple tree nor New York nor the computer company. I didn't find any Turkeys and what is rather odd on some they appeared in the search but did not have Apple anywhere in their keywords/tags.

EricaMaxine , I said yes, add your name :)

The keywords on FAA need to be what is in the image, or related to the image totally. Your name is related.

However, a green apple is not a red banana

A turkey is not a chicken or rooster

A bath is not a car

... It is pretty much common sense and the complaints come mostly when people tag their images with a gallery worth of keywords.

What I mean by this is.... they are going to put up a cats and dogs gallery

So, they add every single cat and dog name, to every images keywords, that will be in that gallery
So the picture of the grey tabby, may have in its keywords

Great Dane,cat,dog,tabby,siamese,german shepherd,ginger,tom cat,bitch,jack russell, london

Now, people searhcing for london get a grey tabby cat
People searching for a great dane get a grey tabby cat

etc etc

and, people searching for a grey tabby, find one but they also find photos of great danes, jack russells, ginger toms...................

It is common sense that should say what keywords fit your image here

Jeffery, I would not use a real example as that would be naming and shaming

Oh I know that but you got me curious so that is why I went with Apple. I may check grapes or a peach next.

lol well, if you find any spammers, let me know (in private)

I have a piece of work where if I search for the title it doesn't come up even though it's in the keywords too!

@mary - don't uncheck your boxes, or you'll remove your image from that group.


---Mike Savad

and miss spelling them it becomes funny. the other day i entered a duck contest. i saw one of my abstracts come up. and i'm thinking, why did i write duck in there? so the next day i edited it, and found that i meant to say DUSK - not DUCK. then it made sense.

of course though the search takes apart phrases for false alarms. like when i put in a church i enter "holy cow" because it kind of fits. no one uses that word so i don't use it that much. type in cow and you get a church - that's one of the reasons why i don't use it.

---Mike Savad

@bav - make sure it's spelled right and type it exactly as it's written - like with an S and it won't find it.

---Mike Savad

Well it comes up when I put it in the search but then if I click on "Paintings" under the "Medium" heading, it doesn't show it even though it is listed as a painting.

There is no point in putting titles in titles. The visitors do not know your titles. Only artists seem to search for their titles and titles often do not fit the work
Sean tried to add titles to the search and it was a travesty of mismatched searches.

sometimes they might. if they see your work on something else on another site, but would rather get it here, they may look for it by title or your name. though i usually don't add the whole things as a phrase, just the main words.


---Mike Savad

Mike,
Cows in India are considered HOLY so what's wrong if you say "Holy Cow", coming out of a church? LOL j/k

True Mike... well titles are up to each person I guess but, better only if they fit the image

@ Mike, if you can't uncheck the group submission boxes when editing then how do you edit? Without breaking the group limit rule?

Beth,

What about the other 145,000 Artists - how are you going to notify them?

Just saying...:)

unless your getting an error i'm not getting, i've been editing things just fine. the image isn't submitted back to the group each time. and if you uncheck, your out of that group.




---Mike Savad

Why are all the tags removed from my artistsites under each image???

hmmm, I might be in breach of this with a few of my landscapes, I tend to add 'dublin' and a few other towns that are not near the actual location, (well they are all within 150 miles, so near is relative.)
I think I have also added some names that are surf related to surfing pics, but are not the actual location of the surfer. My theory was that if I was looking for big surf waves,ANYWHERE Hawaii would be one of the names that would pop into my mind (blame Hawai five oh) of places with big waves, so that would be where i would start , however if someone was to search hawaii for a different reason and the west of ireland came up, it would look like spam.
I don't and would not add the keyword, 'newgrange' for example if it is a seascape.
Should I remove them?

adding dublin won't help the dublinites because they may know it's not from there. many have a tendency to put their home town in, and that doesn't help either. if you know the name of the town, put that in, because people who live or have lived there, may want that. 150 miles is quite a distance.

there is no way to prove it was hawaii or not, then it should be ok. though people do like the truth, if a surfer was taken on the long island sound, and you call it hawaii, that would be totally a lie. but you can say things like narley,surfs up, and any expression or slang that goes with it.


like if i shoot a city, lets say boston USA - i can't name other cities, like NY - because it's not NY.

i would remove and modify them to reflect what the scene actually is. people that live there know your lying, it doesn't help the people who are actually trying to find the location you shot. like i'm betting there are 1000's of shots of dublin. but very few of another place. you would show up faster in the search because you put the other town in.


---Mike Savad

xueling ~ guessing sean took the suggestion to hide them. l think it looks so much nicer and cleaner without them visible!

Beth,

You wrote:..."When people search for a Turkey, they do not expect to find an Apple "


So, when people search for the bird "turkey" I suppose they have to expect images of Haghia Sophia.

When someone search for images of the country "Turkey", I suppose they have to put up with all those damn birds.

And when people search for "Apple".. the skyline of New York, I must assume is perfectly acceptable..

Since mixing "Apples" and "Oranges" ain't OK.......Why is mixing " Fruits" with a City OK.?....or mixing a" Country" with a "Bird"???

Edit:

And when people type in "Turkey, country"...The 2nd Image is a wonderful photo of a fiddler, apparently playing "Turkey in the Straw".

And the 3rd. Image is of a beautiful painting titled "Thanksgiving Farm"...Go Figure!!

Roger... I have a little more faith in people and think they might realize when they put "turkey" in search, and get birds, they may add the word "europe" or a city name to their search terms.

@ Roger,

LMAO

@ Heather,

Yup....they could search for "Turkey + Turkey"

Heather,

Perhaps you didn't see my Edit:

Since "Turkey" is a country...I searched "turkey, country", and just see what comes up #2 and #3.

Roger, remember to us southern folk, country is a music, a place and a state of mind and not one of those has anything to Istanbul..... Perhaps Turkey and Europe?

2 and 3 are appropriate. Google "turkey fiddle". And a turkey in the country would seem appropriate for a search that asks for "turkey country". Search "turkey nation" and see what you get...

Jeff,

I just searched "turkey nation"..and Only 10 images came up..and 1 of them was an image of a Greek Flag......And another was an interesting image of a member of the Piscataway Indian Nation, wearing a turkey feather headgear.

Oh, we also left off this kind of turkey....

JC,


I searched both "turkey europe" and "turkey asia" Expecting to see images west of the Bosphorus in the former and east in the latter........A lot of the same images come up....Go Figure

turkey and country make perfect sense - farms are country, turkeys are on farms, if I take pictures of the wild turkey's on my farm, I'm definitely putting country into the keywords, people who are looking for "country" decor for their farmhouse may be using those as search terms.

I searched "songbirds" the other day and came up with butterflies on the 3rd line of the 1st page... so I reported it. Taken care of. Beth gets right on it if you report stuff.

I use "country" and variants of that when keywording my barn images.

Re:..."Turkey and Country make sense"..

I AGREE!!...It's not the tagger that's the problem, It's The FAA Search Engine that to me is the problem......With all these diverse images lumped together.

With all the millions of images here on FAA, a simple rational (logical) procedure,going from the general to the particular, we the members and the visitors are guided to follow., will give those appropriate images buried in the back a little better chance to be seen, before that visitor (potential buyer) leaves FAA in frustration.

You mean something I use to bitch about is finally getting some attention? You didn't like my statements on this subject and now you don't think it is o.k.? Wonderful.

@ Heather, thank you for telling me. I agree with you, it looks nicer for sure!

Regardless - they continue to do it.
There are Abstracts in the Dog and Wolf Section as well as the other sections of animals.
There are also cats in the dog section and dogs in the bird section. They may be bird dogs, but they are not birds.
Also there are Landscapes and Cityscapes in these sections as well.
I have to say they are beautiful, but they are not animals.

Not nice.

just keep in mind though, that if it's a phrase - bird dog, dog fish, etc and you look for dog, you will get both things. and as recommended by some, putting commas in there are also done, bird,dog, and it does fit, if that's what it is.

the landscape is more confusing - because it's an orientation. which is why i might toss in horizontal. but people looking for the landscape orientation - that's why that's three. stock people use that term. or No People - type in people and you will get images without.

some are blatant spam, but others actually have a good reason for it. partly the fault of the search, partly mix meanings.


---Mike Savad

I just looked at Baby Portraits and there are 2 cats on the first page, as well as some zebras.

the dog one is - my baby. there's a mary one that makes no sense, in reference to baby jesus that's not shown. there's a cat that's called a kitten, which is why that's a baby. the rose bud is a bit of a stretch, and of course baby face nelson does fit, as funny as that one is.


---Mike Savad

I would think that perhaps a option box next to the search box that would allow the user to say...

o Any - pictures with any of the the search terms
o All - pictures that have all of the search terms

By selecting all, the user would get a more narrowly defined search, with more limited results. Especially if several words were used.

Jeff,

Since it seems the desire of most to have their images on as many search engine pages as possible, your suggestion I'm afraid will be received with deaf ears.

Well Roger, this wouldn't change how things appear, but how the site is searched. Plus, it really is a suggestion for Sean...so I think I'll make that suggestion in the thread.. if I can find it.

Jeff, I don't see how that would help matter.
The problem is that the spammers are using all the search terms.
So no matter, I search "Dog Paintings"----they already have Dog Paintings as one of their key words for their abstract or cat or bird etc
In fact they have entered key words for every category there is.

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